Rezultati zimskog tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom
Postano: 13 ožu 2011, 22:31
Negdje sam obećao da ću napisati moje rezultate tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom i to radim sada ,kad sam odlučio da više neću pratiti niti prirodan pad . Na forumu HPS
sam 05.01 2011. objavio prvi dio tabele pa je po sistemu "copy " prenosim sa komentarom :
Rezultati zimskog tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom :Svoje rezultate zimskog tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom objavljujem u ovoj temi,a ne u temi o zimskom tretiranju iz
razloga što sam napomenuo da ću tek poslje zimskog tretiranja znati rezultate ljetnog tretiranja .Tretiranje je urađeno 25.11.2010 . pri temperaturi od 3* C uz
slabo propadivanje snijega .Pripravak oksalne kiseline je urađen u odnosu voda 40% ;šečer 60% ili u odnosu 1 : 1,5 sa o.k. 3 % .U narednim danima je vrijeme bilo
nepovoljno za brojanje jer je stalno bilo kišno i prohladno ,a pčelinjak je udaljen 10 km ,pa je prvo brojanje učinjeno devetog dana od tretiranja . Nekoliko košnica
nisu AV i nije moguće brojanje ,pa je za ovu priliku redosljed košnica pisan po redosljedu brojanja i tabela izgleda ovako :
.......................Broj košnice................03.12................06.12...............08.12..............12.12................15.12...................ukupno..................
...............................1.........................59...................19....................45.................22....................1........................146....................
...............................2.........................15....................9.....................11.................17....................1.........................53....................
...............................3.........................96....................9.....................28.................24....................3........................160....................
...............................4........................133...................19....................36..................9.....................1.......................198....................
...............................5........................101...................11....................48.................12.....................0.......................172....................
...............................6.........................28....................11...................78..................35....................2........................154....................
...............................7........................253...................18....................45..................28....................3........................347...................
...............................8........................184...................12....................11..................10....................1........................218...................
...............................9........................246...................99...................114..................44....................9........................512...................
..............................10.........................50...................32....................34..................12....................3........................131...................
..............................11.........................38...................30....................62..................15....................1........................146...................
..............................12........................218...................31....................57..................22....................1........................329...................
..............................13........................236...................14....................51..................46....................5........................372...................
..............................14.........................18.....................4....................15..................24....................2.........................63...................
..............................15........................205....................43...................72..................41....................5........................366...................
..............................16........................221....................12...................46..................10....................1........................290...................
..............................17........................160....................68...................93..................36....................2........................359...................
..............................18........................153....................16...................67..................35....................0........................271...................
..............................19.........................60.....................31...................52..................19....................2.......................164....................
Moja analiza : Primjetno je da je u prvih osam dana najveći pad , a moja ranija brojanja mi potvrđuju da je najveće padanje varoe između trećeg i osmog dana .
Međutim vidljiv je i rast osobito 08.12 .Tih dana je došlo do otopljavanja ,pa i izlijetanja pčela više puta .Položaj varoe koja se mogla naći po cijeloj ladici potvrđuje,
da je varoa stradala vjerovatno ranije ,a da su je pčele oborile naknadno zbog kretanja sa donjih satonoša i iz đepova bilo na ramovima ili podnici .Što se tiče samih
rezultata mogu reči da sam zadovoljan .Sve su košnice ispod 400 varoa sem košnice br. 9 koja ima 512 . Također ,moram reči da sam imao još jedno brojanje i to
29 .12 ; 14 dana iza zadnjeg brojanja . Stanje je bilo od 3 varoe do 25 varoa . Varoe su bile također razbacane po ladicama ,tako da ovo nisam ubrojao u ukupno
stanje ,jer ga nebi značajno promijenilo,a imam namjeru još jednom brojati.
Ipak ima i nešto ćime nisam zadovoljan.Zapravo ova je godina bila za mene ukupno vrlo loša (i za najveći broj pčelara ) , uz potpunu sušu u sedmom i osmom mjesecu .
Računao sam i na nešto kasne facelije ,što je bila pogrešna procjena .Zbog svega popunjavanje zaliha za zimu išlo je u prosjeku oko 70 % ,što je nedopustivo ali šta sam
mogao . Šečerni sirup je invertovan limunskom kiselinom kako inače radim , ali nisam računao da će odmah iza doći oksalna kiselina koja će pojačati invetovanje pa je
na nekim ramovima stvoren površinski sloj kristalisanog šečera. Znao sam to ali nisam predvidio sljed događaja . Sve ovo napominjem iz razloga što ovaj eksperiment
nije završen i da ću ove godine o tim detaljima voditi računa .
Narednih dana sam primjetio da ima još padanja ,istina slabije ,pa sam sve uključio u novu tabelu koja izgleda ovako :
Broj košnice................03.12................06.12...............08.12..............12.12...............15.12.............29.12...........08.01...........10.01........ukupno
......1.........................59...................19....................45.................22....................1.................25..............12...............6 (out).......214
......2.........................15....................9.....................11.................17....................1.................11..............2................2..............79
......3.........................96....................9.....................28.................24....................3..................5..............0................0..............170
......4........................133...................19....................36..................9.....................1..................7..............0................0..............212
......5........................101...................11....................48.................12.....................0..................4..............0................0..............180
......6.........................28....................11...................78..................35....................2.................18..............3................0..............190
......7........................253...................18....................45..................28....................3..................8..............3................0..............366
......8........................184...................12....................11..................10....................1..................5..............0................1..............229
......9........................246...................99...................114..................44....................9..................7..............1................0..............527
.....10.........................50...................32....................34..................12....................3.................16..............2................0..............165
.....11.........................38...................30....................62..................15....................1..................3...............1................0..............153
.....12........................218...................31....................57..................22....................1.................15..............1................0..............360
.....13........................236...................14....................51..................46....................5.................20..............1................0..............413
.....14.........................18.....................4....................15..................24....................2.................23..............0................1..............110
.....15........................205....................43...................72..................41....................5.................11..............3................2..............393
.....16........................221....................12...................46..................10....................1..................9...............1................0.............309
.....17........................160....................68...................93..................36....................2.................16...............0................1.............392
.....18........................153....................16...................67..................35....................0..................8...............1................0..............288
.....19.........................60.....................31...................52..................19....................2.................24..............4................1..............217
Košnica 1 formirana kao kasni roj , kod tretiranja bila nešto slabija .Primjetno išla stalno u leglo .Kad je stradala imala gotovo ram pčela pred izlaskom .Potrošila puno
hrane .Poslje 10 .01. ove godine zaključio sam da je vrijeme početi brojanje prirodnog pada i tabela izgleda ovako:
Broj košnice..............17.01..............25.01............01.02...........07.02............11.02............16.02..........22.02..........03.03...........09.03.........ukupno
......1......----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
......2........................3...................1..................1................0.................4.................2...............0................0...............0..............11
......3........................2...................0..................3................2.................4.................0...............0................0...............0..............11
......4........................0...................1..................1................0.................0.................4...............3................1...............0..............10
......5........................2...................1..................1................0.................1.................0................0...............0...............0...............5
......6........................0...................0..................1................0.................1.................1................0...............0...............0...............3
......7........................0...................0..................0................1.................3.................1................1...............0...............0...............6
......8........................2...................1..................0................0.................2.................0................0...............0...............0...............5
......9........................0...................2..................0................0.................4.................1................0...............0...............0...............7
.....10........................0...................0..................0................0.................1.................4................0...............1...............0...............6
.....11........................0...................0..................0................0.................2.................0................0...............0...............0...............2
.....12........................0...................1..................0................2.................9................12................1...............1...............1..............27
.....13........................0...................0..................0................0.................2.................1................0................0...............0..............3
.....14........................0...................0..................0................0.................4.................4................1................0...............1..............10
.....15........................0...................0..................0................0.................1.................2................0................0...............0...............3
.....16........................0...................0..................0................1.................2.................0................0................0...............0...............3
.....17........................3...................0..................1................0.................1.................3................0................0...............0...............8
.....18........................1...................0..................0................0.................8.................0................1................0...............0..............10
.....19........................0...................0..................0................2.................17................15..............2................1...............0...............3
Primjetan je porast varoe 11. i 16. 02. kada je također bio blagi porast temperature ,pa su se pčele nešto i kretale , tako da mi je to još jednom pokazalo da tačno
neznamo kad je varoa stradala ,ali je važno da je stradala .Inače ,prirodni pad je pračen od 10.01. 2011. do 09. 03. 2011.što ukupno čini 58 dana i ostalo je lako
izračunati .
sam 05.01 2011. objavio prvi dio tabele pa je po sistemu "copy " prenosim sa komentarom :
Rezultati zimskog tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom :Svoje rezultate zimskog tretiranja oksalnom kiselinom objavljujem u ovoj temi,a ne u temi o zimskom tretiranju iz
razloga što sam napomenuo da ću tek poslje zimskog tretiranja znati rezultate ljetnog tretiranja .Tretiranje je urađeno 25.11.2010 . pri temperaturi od 3* C uz
slabo propadivanje snijega .Pripravak oksalne kiseline je urađen u odnosu voda 40% ;šečer 60% ili u odnosu 1 : 1,5 sa o.k. 3 % .U narednim danima je vrijeme bilo
nepovoljno za brojanje jer je stalno bilo kišno i prohladno ,a pčelinjak je udaljen 10 km ,pa je prvo brojanje učinjeno devetog dana od tretiranja . Nekoliko košnica
nisu AV i nije moguće brojanje ,pa je za ovu priliku redosljed košnica pisan po redosljedu brojanja i tabela izgleda ovako :
.......................Broj košnice................03.12................06.12...............08.12..............12.12................15.12...................ukupno..................
...............................1.........................59...................19....................45.................22....................1........................146....................
...............................2.........................15....................9.....................11.................17....................1.........................53....................
...............................3.........................96....................9.....................28.................24....................3........................160....................
...............................4........................133...................19....................36..................9.....................1.......................198....................
...............................5........................101...................11....................48.................12.....................0.......................172....................
...............................6.........................28....................11...................78..................35....................2........................154....................
...............................7........................253...................18....................45..................28....................3........................347...................
...............................8........................184...................12....................11..................10....................1........................218...................
...............................9........................246...................99...................114..................44....................9........................512...................
..............................10.........................50...................32....................34..................12....................3........................131...................
..............................11.........................38...................30....................62..................15....................1........................146...................
..............................12........................218...................31....................57..................22....................1........................329...................
..............................13........................236...................14....................51..................46....................5........................372...................
..............................14.........................18.....................4....................15..................24....................2.........................63...................
..............................15........................205....................43...................72..................41....................5........................366...................
..............................16........................221....................12...................46..................10....................1........................290...................
..............................17........................160....................68...................93..................36....................2........................359...................
..............................18........................153....................16...................67..................35....................0........................271...................
..............................19.........................60.....................31...................52..................19....................2.......................164....................
Moja analiza : Primjetno je da je u prvih osam dana najveći pad , a moja ranija brojanja mi potvrđuju da je najveće padanje varoe između trećeg i osmog dana .
Međutim vidljiv je i rast osobito 08.12 .Tih dana je došlo do otopljavanja ,pa i izlijetanja pčela više puta .Položaj varoe koja se mogla naći po cijeloj ladici potvrđuje,
da je varoa stradala vjerovatno ranije ,a da su je pčele oborile naknadno zbog kretanja sa donjih satonoša i iz đepova bilo na ramovima ili podnici .Što se tiče samih
rezultata mogu reči da sam zadovoljan .Sve su košnice ispod 400 varoa sem košnice br. 9 koja ima 512 . Također ,moram reči da sam imao još jedno brojanje i to
29 .12 ; 14 dana iza zadnjeg brojanja . Stanje je bilo od 3 varoe do 25 varoa . Varoe su bile također razbacane po ladicama ,tako da ovo nisam ubrojao u ukupno
stanje ,jer ga nebi značajno promijenilo,a imam namjeru još jednom brojati.
Ipak ima i nešto ćime nisam zadovoljan.Zapravo ova je godina bila za mene ukupno vrlo loša (i za najveći broj pčelara ) , uz potpunu sušu u sedmom i osmom mjesecu .
Računao sam i na nešto kasne facelije ,što je bila pogrešna procjena .Zbog svega popunjavanje zaliha za zimu išlo je u prosjeku oko 70 % ,što je nedopustivo ali šta sam
mogao . Šečerni sirup je invertovan limunskom kiselinom kako inače radim , ali nisam računao da će odmah iza doći oksalna kiselina koja će pojačati invetovanje pa je
na nekim ramovima stvoren površinski sloj kristalisanog šečera. Znao sam to ali nisam predvidio sljed događaja . Sve ovo napominjem iz razloga što ovaj eksperiment
nije završen i da ću ove godine o tim detaljima voditi računa .
Narednih dana sam primjetio da ima još padanja ,istina slabije ,pa sam sve uključio u novu tabelu koja izgleda ovako :
Broj košnice................03.12................06.12...............08.12..............12.12...............15.12.............29.12...........08.01...........10.01........ukupno
......1.........................59...................19....................45.................22....................1.................25..............12...............6 (out).......214
......2.........................15....................9.....................11.................17....................1.................11..............2................2..............79
......3.........................96....................9.....................28.................24....................3..................5..............0................0..............170
......4........................133...................19....................36..................9.....................1..................7..............0................0..............212
......5........................101...................11....................48.................12.....................0..................4..............0................0..............180
......6.........................28....................11...................78..................35....................2.................18..............3................0..............190
......7........................253...................18....................45..................28....................3..................8..............3................0..............366
......8........................184...................12....................11..................10....................1..................5..............0................1..............229
......9........................246...................99...................114..................44....................9..................7..............1................0..............527
.....10.........................50...................32....................34..................12....................3.................16..............2................0..............165
.....11.........................38...................30....................62..................15....................1..................3...............1................0..............153
.....12........................218...................31....................57..................22....................1.................15..............1................0..............360
.....13........................236...................14....................51..................46....................5.................20..............1................0..............413
.....14.........................18.....................4....................15..................24....................2.................23..............0................1..............110
.....15........................205....................43...................72..................41....................5.................11..............3................2..............393
.....16........................221....................12...................46..................10....................1..................9...............1................0.............309
.....17........................160....................68...................93..................36....................2.................16...............0................1.............392
.....18........................153....................16...................67..................35....................0..................8...............1................0..............288
.....19.........................60.....................31...................52..................19....................2.................24..............4................1..............217
Košnica 1 formirana kao kasni roj , kod tretiranja bila nešto slabija .Primjetno išla stalno u leglo .Kad je stradala imala gotovo ram pčela pred izlaskom .Potrošila puno
hrane .Poslje 10 .01. ove godine zaključio sam da je vrijeme početi brojanje prirodnog pada i tabela izgleda ovako:
Broj košnice..............17.01..............25.01............01.02...........07.02............11.02............16.02..........22.02..........03.03...........09.03.........ukupno
......1......----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
......2........................3...................1..................1................0.................4.................2...............0................0...............0..............11
......3........................2...................0..................3................2.................4.................0...............0................0...............0..............11
......4........................0...................1..................1................0.................0.................4...............3................1...............0..............10
......5........................2...................1..................1................0.................1.................0................0...............0...............0...............5
......6........................0...................0..................1................0.................1.................1................0...............0...............0...............3
......7........................0...................0..................0................1.................3.................1................1...............0...............0...............6
......8........................2...................1..................0................0.................2.................0................0...............0...............0...............5
......9........................0...................2..................0................0.................4.................1................0...............0...............0...............7
.....10........................0...................0..................0................0.................1.................4................0...............1...............0...............6
.....11........................0...................0..................0................0.................2.................0................0...............0...............0...............2
.....12........................0...................1..................0................2.................9................12................1...............1...............1..............27
.....13........................0...................0..................0................0.................2.................1................0................0...............0..............3
.....14........................0...................0..................0................0.................4.................4................1................0...............1..............10
.....15........................0...................0..................0................0.................1.................2................0................0...............0...............3
.....16........................0...................0..................0................1.................2.................0................0................0...............0...............3
.....17........................3...................0..................1................0.................1.................3................0................0...............0...............8
.....18........................1...................0..................0................0.................8.................0................1................0...............0..............10
.....19........................0...................0..................0................2.................17................15..............2................1...............0...............3
Primjetan je porast varoe 11. i 16. 02. kada je također bio blagi porast temperature ,pa su se pčele nešto i kretale , tako da mi je to još jednom pokazalo da tačno
neznamo kad je varoa stradala ,ali je važno da je stradala .Inače ,prirodni pad je pračen od 10.01. 2011. do 09. 03. 2011.što ukupno čini 58 dana i ostalo je lako
izračunati .